Bill O’Reilly Defends Us(?); Catholic Church Still Sucks

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So last week, I highlighted a number of news stories that show just how rotten the Catholic Church can be when they use their beliefs to defend their discrimination. One of those stories was about a preschooler kicked out of a Catholic-run school for having lesbian parents.

The archdiocese defends these actions with the same old syllogism: 1) No sex outside marriage, 2) Marriage = man + woman, therefore 3) We hate gays. It’s not that they blatantly hate gays, they just inherently hate gays because of these other beliefs they have. Otherwise, they’re so loving!

It’s beyond me how you can use logic to defend beliefs; it doesn’t get much more oxymoronic than that. Then again, I learned how to think logically, so it’s pretty tough for me to sink back into that circular reasoning that keeps beliefs going.

At any rate, Bill O’Reilly recently had Father Jonathan Morris from West Palm Beach on to reiterate this same old bigoted nonsense. The amazing thing? O’Reilly, a Catholic himself, defended the lesbian couple! Has O’Reilly gone round the bend? Did Glenn Beck push FOX News so far right that O’Reilly popped out back on the other side? I doubt it. I’m certainly in no rush to praise O’Reilly, but I’ll give credit due when it’s due. He actually makes a pretty good argument. I’m sure his audience benefited from hearing him offer such a fresh perspective, especially when addressing such a smarmy priest. Check it out:

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  • Sacey says:

    This actually made me tear up a little. Thank you for sharing.

  • Tom says:

    I’ve never before watched Bill-O without getting angry at him. But I was cheering him on this time. Funny to see his points were the first things I thought too: divorced heteros are fine?

  • Friend says:

    Fr. Jonathan was actually visiting my parish for a mission during the same time he interviewed with Bill.  He talked very briefly about about this at St. Peter in Jupiter (about an hour after they taped it).   He’s not a smarmy guy…at least from what I learned when I met and talked with him.     As far as the issue at hand, its tough and I can see it from both sides, but legally speaking, its a private institution and it can do what it wants as far as admitting/denying students. 

  • Beleiver says:

    I also see both sides of this one…. And it is a very hard issue for sure. I would say the church is at fault for allowing these students in the 1st place… If they have guidelines about the parents of children (which I think they should) they should deal with this right away so the kids don’t end up in a situation like this, unless the coming together of the parents happened while the kids were attending.. And then I see it as a right for the church to no longer admit the children if it so chooses because the home situation has changed and no longer goes along with the faith. My question is this. If someone doesn’t go along with what the faith believes, why teach your children what you yourself have rejected? It seems hypocritical and honestly with the children that can only lead to confusion, so them being asked to leave I can see as a good thing. I am catholic also, and I would say I am an open arms to all people kind of person. Its not up to me to tell gay people what to do, but it is up to me to practice what I believe and see that there is accountability in the place I worship… just like I don’t believe in telling gays they can’t get married, but would be upset if the catholic church allowed gay marriage…. outside the faith we need to be just loving and nonjudgemental, but inside the faith is different, there we have all agreed to what it means to be a christian, so therefore we need accountability. That’s my opinion. When one comes to choose a faith, it is then they are agreeing to be accountable to things like man woman marriage etc…. So if this couple is not agreeing to what the faith believes I see nothing wrong with saying ” you can’t have your children here if you are not an actual follower of what we believe.” and honestly I see no fault in that at all. Some may see it as the church being stingy or strict, but to bring children up in a hypocritical situation in my opinion is damaging, and children should also understand what accountability means and the importance for parents to practice what they believe and be teachers of it, and in this case they were allowing the kids to be taught one thing at school, and then showing a different example at home. So I’m glad the church caught it and delt with it, and if they didn’t check this situation out from the start, I think they should learn from it and make sure all kids attending the school have parents who have agreed to and are practicing the faith themselves from the very beginning of any enrollment.

  • Beleiver says:

    I also see both sides of this one…. And it is a very hard issue for sure. I would say the church is at fault for allowing these students in the 1st place… If they have guidelines about the parents of children (which I think they should) they should deal with this right away so the kids don’t end up in a situation like this, unless the coming together of the parents happened while the kids were attending.. And then I see it as a right for the church to no longer admit the children if it so chooses because the home situation has changed and no longer goes along with the faith. My question is this. If someone doesn’t go along with what the faith believes, why teach your children what you yourself have rejected? It seems hypocritical and honestly with the children that can only lead to confusion, so them being asked to leave I can see as a good thing. I am catholic also, and I would say I am an open arms to all people kind of person. Its not up to me to tell gay people what to do, but it is up to me to practice what I believe and see that there is accountability in the place I worship… just like I don’t believe in telling gays they can’t get married, but would be upset if the catholic church allowed gay marriage…. outside the faith we need to be just loving and nonjudgemental, but inside the faith is different, there we have all agreed to what it means to be a christian, so therefore we need accountability. That’s my opinion. When one comes to choose a faith, it is then they are agreeing to be accountable to things like man woman marriage etc…. So if this couple is not agreeing to what the faith believes I see nothing wrong with saying ” you can’t have your children here if you are not an actual follower of what we believe.” and honestly I see no fault in that at all. Some may see it as the church being stingy or strict, but to bring children up in a hypocritical situation in my opinion is damaging, and children should also understand what accountability means and the importance for parents to practice what they believe and be teachers of it, and in this case they were allowing the kids to be taught one thing at school, and then showing a different example at home. So I’m glad the church caught it and delt with it, and if they didn’t check this situation out from the start, I think they should learn from it and make sure all kids attending the school have parents who have agreed to and are practicing the faith themselves from the very beginning of any enrollment.

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