Queer and Queerer Ep. 13 – The Right To Discriminate and Allies Gone Wild

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Zack and Peterson are back this week to talk about the Supreme Court ruling in Christian Legal Society v. Martinez and the good-intentioned but not always effective efforts of allies. Zack outlines the details of the case and the importance of nondiscrimination policies in higher education and highlights, in particular the dissent in the case. Marvin Bloom makes a cameo to help connect Leon Festinger’s theories of cognitive dissonance to the argument. Then, Peterson shares some experiences of allies gone wild, including a recent pride event he attended that left him feeling anything but proud. In preparation for next week, send us more feedback about our body image episode!

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Here’s some more information about what we talked about this week:

» Zack’s detailed analysis of the Christian Legal Society v. Martinez decision.

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There are 7 Comments to "Queer and Queerer Ep. 13 – The Right To Discriminate and Allies Gone Wild"

  • Jim Creasy says:

    Is “Marvin” really a real person? Or is he one of Peterson’s alias ?

  • Jane says:

    I love Marvin! Nothing profound, but Marvin and Zack should do a show together.

  • Jane says:

    @Jim, Marvin is Marvin. While created as a character/alias for Peterson, Marvin has taken on an almost all too real presence in my life. I love him dearly.

  • David says:

    First off, I realize that I am posting this so late, but I just recently happened upon this podcast series and have been listening to it from the beginning.

    I must confess that this episode really makes me want to give up on doing anything for the GLBT community. I am a gay ordained minister who recently came out and also resigned from the church that I served. While serving, I tried to foster an atmosphere of open and affirming. But, what I got from this episode was that if I didn’t have a full cadre of the GLBT community helping in that planning, I was being offensive to those who weren’t properly represented. So, I must ask, what is the use? Why even try? Because, no matter what one does, it is offensive and a waste of time when one is not working with the whole GLBT community.

    • ZackFord says:

      David, thank you for your comment. It sounds like you’re going through a lot right now, and I appreciate your courage to want to make a difference.

      I think the lesson here is not that you shouldn’t do things for the LGBT community. I think the lesson is simply to make sure you’re doing something the LGBT community will actually appreciate, as opposed to something you just THINK they’ll appreciate that you’re essentially doing on your own behalf.

      In other words, good intentions are nice, but thoughtful intentions make the difference.

  • David, I too thank you for the comment. No need to dispair in doing good. The reality is that being an ally is hard work, and we often get it wrong. I am not transgender, and I do a lot of work around transgender issues. It’s not fun being corrected for saying something that I thought was said correctly or being told I misrepresented a point. It smarts, but being an ally means we sometimes get it wrong. We need to acquire a graceful agility, and we can always ask people we trust, “did say that right? Are we going about this properly, because I am new at this and I value your input.” this opens up conversation and gives us a chance to deepen our understanding.

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