Queer and Queerer Ep. 81 – Celibacy: Same Shameful Ingredients In A Shiny New Package

Zack and Peterson are back to talk about a new (old) product on the market: celibacy! Also known as “ex-gay lite.” Since the ex-gay movement has largely crumbled in recent years and it’s no longer convincing to argue that sexual orientation can be changed, conservatives are now encouraging gay, lesbian, and bisexual people to just not have sex. Given celibacy has its own theological history, does this new advocacy for embracing it measure up or is it just a different-looking outcome for sin-shaming? Also, Zack is one of the 40 under 40 and Peterson’s got his eye on some new transgender television shows.

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» Zack is one of The Advocate’s 40 Under 40.

» Peterson interviews actress Marlo Bernier about her new dramedy Myrna.

» Also read more about the BBC transgender sitcom Boy Meets Girl, the webseries Brothers, and the Amazon Prime show Transparent.



Queer And Queerer Ep. 80 – Toto, We’re Not In Kansas Anymore

Zack and Peterson have new stories to tell about foreign worlds. Peterson’s new projects addressing climate change are not getting the warmest reception in LGBT spaces, nor are there many LGBT people at the climate change conferences he’s attended. Likewise, Zack attended his first atheist conference, speaking at the American Atheists national conference in April, and similarly observed that queer people were simply underrepresented. What’s it like being queer in these accepting yet strangely uninclusive spaces? Oh, and Marvin Bloom’s around somewhere too.

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» The new PetersonToscano.com!

» Watch all of the panels from this year’s American Atheists conference, including Zack’s on Atheism and LGBT Activism!



Queer And Queerer Ep. 79 – Quest of the Holy Placenta

Zack and Peterson are together for the holidays, and rather than yak about Utah or Duck Dynasty, the two follow the travels of the afterbirth of Jesus in the Lost Gospel of the Holy Placenta. Enjoy this lighthearted and only slightly blasphemous holiday episode and let us know what you want to hear from us in 2014. Also, make sure to go see Zack in New York City Monday night and check out all of Peterson’s new upcoming projects!

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» Learn more about the #HolyPlacenta from Peterson’s tweets.

» Check out the show Zack is accompanying in New York on December 30!

» Watch Grey Gardens.

» Check out the art that benefits the Trans Justice Funding Project.

» Here are some books by Dr. Lynn Huber about the apocalypse.

» Here’s the entire Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 19 haikus.

» Watch Kiki and Herb perform “Total Eclipse of the Heart.”



Queer And Queerer Ep. 78 – Taking Liberties With Religion

Two episodes within less than a month’s time! It’s like some government shutdown miracle! This week’s episode is dedicated to talking about that “religious liberty” concept conservatives are always throwing around. What do they mean when they say it and how are they trying to use it do keep discriminating against LGBT people? Does a Quaker school have to hire a Neo-Nazi? Zack and Peterson break it all down. We had a little technical glitch or two, so apologies for that, but it shouldn’t interfere too much with enjoying our delightful banter and brilliant insights.

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» Learn more about ENDA’s religious exemption.

» Learn more about that Washington florist.

» Learn more about that Oregon bakery that closed, and the cakes that they would make.

» Learn more about that New Mexico photographer.

» Learn more about that Iowa wedding venue suing for the right to discriminate.

» In fact, here’s a whole list of religious liberty concerns conservatives are worried about.



Queer and Queerer Ep. 77 – Not All Popes Are Married Like That

Thanks to the flattery of Ben, Zack and Peterson found time for a new episode. (It may have helped that Zack is under the weather.) Among the topics are Christians are “not all like that” (NALT), how the Pope really is like that, and Peterson’s second wedding — don’t worry, it’s to the same person as the first. But maybe there will be a third or more! There are lots of different state options to choose from. There’s also an interjection about foot cream, but it’s probably lacking in validity. If you like what you hear and want to hear more, leave lots of comments and shower us with praise. Positive reinforcement works!

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» Not All Like That, a video project about LGBT-supportive Christians.

» The hodgepodge of state marriage fights.

» That big long interview the Pope gave.

» The random story about foot cream that Zack found.



Queer and Queerer Ep. 76 – Is The Marin Foundation Building Bridges?

This episode features Peterson Toscano’s tell-all about Andrew Marin and The Marin Foundation, best known for encouraging Christians to attend Pride events holding signs apologizing for how churches have harmed LGBT people. Zack listens as Peterson shares his roller coaster of confusing about whether or not The Marin Foundation is actually helping build bridges between evangelical Christians and the LGBT community — as it claims — or possibly humoring some dangerous ideas. The journey includes intersections with the work of Warren Throckmorton and Mark Yarhouse, both of whom have connections to the ex-gay movement. Are bridges being built, or are there reasons to be skeptical about this work… or both?

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» Mark Yarhouse’s own reporting attempting to validate ex-gay therapy found that even those living an ex-gay life still admitted their orientations hadn’t changed.

» Check out the Trans Justice Funding Project, which Peterson helped support last week.

» Zack’s summer musical, Love, NY, opens this weekend, so if you’re in the DC area, check it out!



Queer and Queerer Ep. 75 – The Exodus Exodus

Not only are Zack and Peterson truly back, but for once they’re actually in the same room! Broadcasting from Zack’s apartment in Washington, DC, we discussed the epic change up at Exodus International — namely, Alan Chambers’s apology for the ex-gay ministry and announcement last week that he was shutting it down. A big chapter in the shaming of the gay community has come to an end, but what does it mean for evangelical Christians? Our conversation dives deep to see what will come of the end of this historically harmful conversation.

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Here’s some more information about what we talked about this week:

» Check out ThinkProgress’s reporting on the great survey of ex-gay survivors, the closure of Exodus International, and the backlash this week from Focus on the Family and other ex-gay groups.

» Beyond Ex-Gay continues to be a valuable resource for ex-gay survivors.

» Peterson’s rewrite of John Smid’s apology.



Queer and Queerer Ep. 74 – Coming Back and Moving On

Inspired by Arrested Development, Zack and Peterson have returned from their indeterminate hiatus. Peterson discusses the passing of his father, and Zack offers a few updates from the blogging world. Peterson is also now a climate activist, and rightfully so! If you’re excited that we’re back, you should leave some comments, or tweet us, and let us know you want us to keep coming back.

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Here’s some more information about what we talked about this week:

» Read Peter “Pete” Toscano’s obituary.

» Learn more about Zack’s upcoming show, “Love, NY,” by liking it on Facebookfollowing it on Twitter, or supporting it on Kickstarter!

» Follow Stephen Ira on Twitter: @supermattacine.

» Read Zack’s blogging at ThinkProgress LGBT.

» This week’s poem was:  “Meaning” by C.P. Cavaf,y from The Collected Poems of C.P. Cavafy, Translated by Aliki Barnstone, W.W. Norton 2006.



Queer and Queerer Ep. 73 – The Presidential Election Roundtable

After Zack stops yakking about his momentous musical weekend, Peterson welcomes his husband, wanna-be swing voter Glen Retief, and nephew, “G,” to the Queer and Queerer intergenerational white-man presidential election roundtable. The group digs into some foreign policy issues, religion, and the many Mitt Romneys.

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Queer and Queerer Ep. 72 – The Lost Gospel of Thaddeus

Peterson has recently uncovered the lost book of Thaddeus, that was hidden away and kept out of the Bible. He imparts its wisdom upon Zack, who is no more convinced by its alternate depiction of the life of Jesus than of the original tellings. He’s more excited that he’ll be speaking at his alma mater, Ithaca College, for National Coming Out Day. And who, pray tell, is the most effervescent co-host of this podcast?

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